As noted in the description, the 1902 video plays in real time, and the 2015 video has some cuts and framerate adjustments to keep them in sync.
amai 29 minutes ago [-]
Cities were so beautiful before we destroyed them with all the streets for cars. Also modern buildings look really ugly. We need more ornaments in architecture.
appointment 1 hours ago [-]
Here's the original 1902 footage as digitized by MoMA, without AI bullshit smeared over it:
Thank you! I keep stumbling upon interesting historical footage on Youtube, only to find that it's been ruined by janky AI. I do think there's a place for AI and video restauration, but colors and 4k, with soundscape, really?
irjustin 51 minutes ago [-]
Oh man I love the aesthetics of the 1902 trains, gorgeous.
Aeolun 3 hours ago [-]
This is fantastic! Though my main takeaway is that we’ve seemingly forgotten how to make our cities aesthetically pleasing.
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somat 7 hours ago [-]
Dangle-trains are one of those things that appeal to me for unknown reasons, they just look so cool. But I am unable to really quantify the appeal, so here is my attempt.
Advantages:
keeps your electrical plant out of the weather
allows the track to be out of the road while allowing street level access to train. This one is a bit iffy as the dangle train will usually be put above street traffic.
Disadvantages:
look at how much steel it takes to make that box beam.
Every thing is in tension, leading to complicated structure to contain it, joints can be much simpler in compression.
Any how as a dangle-train connoisseur I leave you with two additional videos.
Monorails are somewhat cheaper than elevated trains (if you don't have extreme disabled-evacuation laws) but more expensive than a conventional train at ground level, and junctions are a nightmare. So they only work where you have a single isolated line and would need to elevate most of the track anyway (and suspended rather than straddle-beam improves cornering performance but at a cost, so is only worth it if your route has many sharp corners as well).
For Wuppertal, where the town is pretty linear along a river valley, it works. (Even then, a straddle-beam monorail would probably be more cost-efficient if you were starting from scratch). For most places it doesn't.
decimalenough 1 hours ago [-]
The reason this was used in Wuppertal is that because the town is a steep valley with a river in the middle, so the best/only place to hang the track was over the river.
For those travelling to Tokyo, go to Kamakura, take the famous Enoden to Enoshima, then take Shonan-Monorail to Ofuna and return to Tokyo.
tecleandor 12 minutes ago [-]
Oh! Last time I went to Kamakura was in 2006 and I didn't visit Enoshima nor Ofuna. I'm going to Tokyo this next month again. Are those visits worthy?
Aeolun 3 hours ago [-]
Japan has a lot more of these, though normally the tracks are below the wagons, which is presumably more efficient.
decimalenough 1 hours ago [-]
Japan has exactly two (Chiba & Shonan). But that's still a lot by world standards, since there's less than 10 total in existence.
Findecanor 3 hours ago [-]
I will never forget when I saw this the first time.
I woke up early in the morning on a sleeper train to Düsseldorf. The train had stopped so I looked out the window: at A-frames straddling a river.
My first thought was: "That's a weird-looking roller coaster".
TimByte 2 hours ago [-]
Half-asleep, expecting normal train scenery, and then bam: suspended train casually gliding over a river
amelius 35 minutes ago [-]
Casts a shadow on the city. Not the perfect solution, if you ask me.
tormeh 8 hours ago [-]
This does seem like a superior way to build elevated rail. Less noise in particular, as turning doesn't induce slippage like on a normal train. Wonder why it's so rare.
cenamus 28 minutes ago [-]
Turning also doesn't involve slippage in trains. Many locomotives already have independently turning wheels, and the solid axles of train carts can also turn just fine (as explained in https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=f_-UJNETSlg for example)
frosted-flakes 7 hours ago [-]
Lots of unnecessary complexity. In this case it makes sense because the majority of the line is directly over a river due to space constraints, but it's a lot simpler to build a concrete viaduct and run normal trains ovwr it. This also allows the train to transition to run underground or at-grade.
Gigachad 5 hours ago [-]
Not an engineer, but just looking at the photos, this takes an enormous amount of steel. While most elevated rail is just a concrete bridge with a small amount of structural steel.
Most rails lines continue far enough to leave dense urban areas where this makes sense so they have to transition between elevated and ground level tracks which this can't do.
highcountess 7 hours ago [-]
I think the lock-in is the biggest issue. If you have a hanging rail system, you can't just transition off the hanging rail to bottom rail when no longer needed like you could with elevated bottom rail.
TimByte 2 hours ago [-]
It's wild that something built in 1901 is still not just operational but central to a city's transit system
Xylakant 2 hours ago [-]
That’s much more common than one would think. The London tube began operation 160 years ago. The U1 line in Berlin was constructed between 1902 and 1926. The central railway lines are substantially older. The Paris metro began operation in summer 1900.
Bridges in old cities are very often much older than a century.
I mean, you could say this of many if not most cities, I would think, for at least some part of the transport system. I can see elements of this from my office window: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dublin_and_Kingstown_Railway - it's almost 200 years old. Still carrying a train every few minutes at peak times.
(Obviously a bit of a railway of Theseus at this point, in that besides the bridges there's ~no part of it which is literally from 1832.)
arethuza 2 hours ago [-]
A lot of the rail infrastructure in the UK is older than that - e.g. I use the Forth Bridge quite a lot:
Five human dead in 125 years is a record to envy for most transit systems. (Light rail likes to run into pedestrians, almost as much as buses.) And it was a maintenance failure, not an operator or structural one.
Not to count the baby elephant that fell out of one car back in 1950.
Wuppertal is a wonderful ride for many thousands daily, millions for decades, and is a wonderful model of visual, sane, safe engineered public transport.
spankibalt 5 hours ago [-]
> Not to count the baby elephant that fell out of one car back in 1950.
Heavens to Betsy! And the elephant lived... till 1989! :)
> Wuppertal is a wonderful ride for many thousands daily, millions for decades, and is a wonderful model of visual, sane, safe engineered public transport.
Is ja jut, ich kauf' den Tagespass.
Aeolun 3 hours ago [-]
It was not the railway’s fault. As always in these cases, it was the squishy humans making the mistakes.
Seriously, who works on a railway until 6 in the morning? That’s like deploying on a Friday afternoon at 16:50…
rsynnott 10 minutes ago [-]
Pretty much all major railway maintenance (at least for major lines which can't reasonably be closed) is done overnight, to avoid closing the railway during operating hours.
defrost 3 hours ago [-]
> Seriously, who works on a railway until 6 in the morning?
A great many rail crews the world over .. night time being the best time for rolling maintainance and bed upgrades on largely daytime passenger lines.
The question that was asked during the investigation was more along the lines of "who does major work every night on rail lines and doesn't integrate end of shift safety checks (looking for still in place gear, unfinished work, etc)" ?
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7TqqdOcX4dc
As noted in the description, the 1902 video plays in real time, and the 2015 video has some cuts and framerate adjustments to keep them in sync.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2Ud1aZFE0fU
Advantages:
keeps your electrical plant out of the weather
allows the track to be out of the road while allowing street level access to train. This one is a bit iffy as the dangle train will usually be put above street traffic.
Disadvantages:
look at how much steel it takes to make that box beam.
Every thing is in tension, leading to complicated structure to contain it, joints can be much simpler in compression.
Any how as a dangle-train connoisseur I leave you with two additional videos.
A dangle train in japan https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZGLrP5eawdY
The Tim Traveler (perhaps the best all around esoteric travel channel) https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9Kwpj1UOrhs
For Wuppertal, where the town is pretty linear along a river valley, it works. (Even then, a straddle-beam monorail would probably be more cost-efficient if you were starting from scratch). For most places it doesn't.
Wikipedia has the (not very long) full list of every "dangle-train" ever built: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Suspension_railway
For those travelling to Tokyo, go to Kamakura, take the famous Enoden to Enoshima, then take Shonan-Monorail to Ofuna and return to Tokyo.
I woke up early in the morning on a sleeper train to Düsseldorf. The train had stopped so I looked out the window: at A-frames straddling a river. My first thought was: "That's a weird-looking roller coaster".
Most rails lines continue far enough to leave dense urban areas where this makes sense so they have to transition between elevated and ground level tracks which this can't do.
Bridges in old cities are very often much older than a century.
The ship lift in Niederfinow that connects the Oder-Havel Canal to the Oder river went into operation in 1936 - the canal that it serves dates back to 1743. https://de.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Schiffshebewerk_Niederfinow
The Hoover hydroelectric dam is now 90 years old.
(Obviously a bit of a railway of Theseus at this point, in that besides the bridges there's ~no part of it which is literally from 1832.)
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Forth_Bridge
But I know, people on here like trains (lol), so I'll probably get down voted for stating my opinion.
https://www.zeit.de/2025/11/migration-neue-alte-einwanderung... https://archive.ph/mzM0P
Ja, ja, all fun and games... until your danglies drop. :( [1]
1. [https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/1999_Wuppertal_Schwebebahn_acc...]
Not to count the baby elephant that fell out of one car back in 1950.
Wuppertal is a wonderful ride for many thousands daily, millions for decades, and is a wonderful model of visual, sane, safe engineered public transport.
Heavens to Betsy! And the elephant lived... till 1989! :)
> Wuppertal is a wonderful ride for many thousands daily, millions for decades, and is a wonderful model of visual, sane, safe engineered public transport.
Is ja jut, ich kauf' den Tagespass.
Seriously, who works on a railway until 6 in the morning? That’s like deploying on a Friday afternoon at 16:50…
A great many rail crews the world over .. night time being the best time for rolling maintainance and bed upgrades on largely daytime passenger lines.
The question that was asked during the investigation was more along the lines of "who does major work every night on rail lines and doesn't integrate end of shift safety checks (looking for still in place gear, unfinished work, etc)" ?